Thursday, May 14, 2009

BOOKS ABOUT PASHTUNS ETC

( FROM KHYBERWATCH OF MAY,2006)
There are some books available which to some extent covers chach and its people:

1. Campbellpur - Ancient and Modern (The Brittish Role-The
Pakistani Role).By; Ayub Khan Saidookhail

Published by: Saidokhail TradersVillage and Post Office GhorghoshtiDistt. Campbellpur
The preface was dated 1978.

2. Punjab District Gazatteers Attock District 1930 & 1907

Its a
bit old but there is quite a lot which might be relevant still.It says that the majority of the tribes belong to various branches of the Yusufzai tribe and that they migrated to the area from the areas across the Indus river (Swabi). Utmanzai is mentioned as the main branch from which there are other branches, Alizai, Kanizai and Akazai. Tarkhelis are said to be a branch of Alizai. Other tribes are also mentioned like Dilazaks, Pirokhels(branch of Afridi), Ghilzai and Manduri, Barahzai( both said to be branches of Yusufzais).In the Gazatteers from Peshawar and Hazara the same tribes are said to live in Swabi and the Southern part of Hazara (bordering Attock)

About migration the book (1907 ed) says: "There is also a litte
permanent immigration from the Mardan Tahsil of Peshawar across the river","From the north east corner of the Chhachh very large numbers of men go out as stokers on the P. and O. and Brittish India boats, and come back shattered in health, but full of money. Others used to go as hawkers to Australia, and indeed there are very few parts of the empire which someone in the Chhachh has not visited,"

1930's Ed says: "There are over 300 Chhachhi Pathans employed in HongKong alone, mostly as darwans, some as contractors of labour, others in comercial pursuits, and a few fill posts of conciderable responsibility under the administration."

1907'Ed mentions some of the notable men of the time:" Gulab Khan and Najf Khan of Ghurgashti, Muzaffar Khan and Mirdad Khan, Malik Mala,Bahadur Khan of Babbudi, Mahomed Khan of Sarwana, Mahomed Azim Khan,Honorary Magistrate, Hazro; Hafiz Sher Mahomed Khan and Shahbaz Khanalso of Hazro; Ali Akbar Khan of Yasin, Mahomed Amir Khan of Waisa,Sher Dil Khan of Shinka, Ali Bahadur Khan of Islamgarh and Mir AfzalKhan and Humayun Khan of Harun."----------------------
judging from recent ethnographic studies, researched from the University of Lahore, it is evident that as many as 80% of chach pathan tribes originate from the yousafzai.

On the topic of books, Daman-e-Abaseen, is a very interesting book
on the history of Chach Pathans. I have also great pleasure in
announcing that a book has been published on the history of the
greatest Chach Pathan warrior of the early 18th century, the Great Nawab Najabat Khan. The book has been written by Akbar Khan and is entitled Tazkira Nawab Najabat Khan (Nawab of Kunjpura), and includes commentary from Sikandar Khan, the author of Daman-e-Abaseen. It must be noted however, that the book written by Mr Akbar Khan is not comprehensive, and does not cover events that occured in Ghourghushti, which lead to his migration, and later his conquests in the Punjab.Nawab Najabat Khan never returned to Ghourghusti. His home in Ghourghusti to this day is still occupied by his descendant familymembers (i.e those kin that remained in Ghourghusti). The home has had many visitors from the Punjab, particularly Kunjpur where the descendants of Najabat Khan would come and visit and marvel at the similarity of the occupants to the description of Najabat Khan that they have been told about by their forefathers.Nawab Najabat Khan's descendants in Kunjpur became part of the social elite during the 19th and early 20th century. He was a modest man, and had good qualities such as honesty, bravery and piety. His characteristics are more akin to his descendants in ghourghusti, who are completely unaware of this great man's accomplishments, than his descendants in Kunjpar, who can now be found in cities such as Lahore and Karachi. Nawab Najabat Khan is from the Salarkhel tribe(nowadays pronounced as Sarkhel, which stem from the Yousafzai tribe.=================================some pashtoon villages Sheenkay, jalala,Mian derai,waisa,nar topa, malao,tajik, damaan,parmalee,barazai, ghor ghushtee,khalo, kaman parhttp://ghorghushti.netfirms.com/Ghourghushti.htm
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I want to know the difference between chach pathans and pathans in peshawar, yousafzai.You all living in chach area might know that in ghourgushti mostly pathans dont marry their daughters outside their tribe, can we chachi pathans marry yousafzai??-----------------------------------------------------there is no such thing as a chachi pathan.......chac is an area and yusufzai is a tribe...i would say most of the afghan origin people in chach are yusufzai......the people of chach do not think low of the people across the river, although the people across the river might look down upon hindko speakers as they associate hindko with non-afghan origin people. hindko speakers in peshawar city rarely have any afghan blood in them and trace their roots to kashmir, punjab or are locals.i know of many pakhtun and hindko speaking afghan origin people in chach who have married from sawabi. peshawar is quite far from us and many of my villagers would think getting married into shadi khan which is abot 10 km away as too far. there is also cultural dfferences between chach people and sarhad people.....as most chach afghan origin people do not speak Pakhtu anymore they have little links with Pakhtun culture....the media and influence they use will come from Punjab or India - the songs they play, music they listen to etc etc etc.its not ghurghushti that peop[le just do this....its almost every pakisatni village....lol....people from ghurghushti will get marred into sheenka, barazai, pabuto, malakmala, natopa, hazro etc as i have known also they will marry from the ghazi area too....but generaly marrying out is rare for most pakistanis

The difference Dear Friendsi wanna give the answer of one friend she says that why Ghour Ghoushti pathan not married there daughter in out side the tribe and also diffrient between Peshawar pathans and Chach pathan according to my knowladge every PASHTO speeking is not pathan the are from diffrint tribs not pathan in peshawar basicaly live pathan they are technical person so we say in URDU pesha war i mean do any specilest in there work like Mochi Tharkan Lohar many other they speek pashtoo so we say pathan and orignal pathan of peshawar are DalaZaik trib and chach pathan come from Afghanistan the not come from Peshawar most of chach pathan from Ghazni and other area of Afghanistan and chach pathan not like give there daughter to other trib except pathan coz they say we r pathan and also i give u the information about the word PAKHTONi axplain this in pashtooP - path ( To give respect to othere )KH - Khigira ( to give the protection to othere who come in there protection)T - Toora . ( Do some extra ordinari work like in speed"N- Nighyalay ( who give the life on land "country" Petriot ".may be i am not fully explain this is any friend know please explain fullyi thing all my friend know well about pathan of chach and peshawar next time i give u the all detail of chach and sarounding area.

Language change in Cahch from Pashtu to Hindko the question is why do so many chach people marry into Hindko families.Until maybe a 100 years ago there were so many Pashtuns in Chach bt now there are not even a 1/3 left. Where did they all go?The one way I think they all disappeared was through inter-marriage.....large portions of Barazo, Ghurghshto, Malak Mala and so many other villages were Pashtun but now there is 0 left....where did they all go.........The non-pathans and the Pakhtuns must have inter-married......to bring Hindko into a Pashtun locality............Fact 1. Pabuto - the village between Malak Mala and Natopa is more or less Pashtun 95%. The few who speak Hindko are not of Afghan origin and ae labelled by the Pashtuns generally as low class or "Kami". These are not my views bt the views our peopel held. Pabutowal people do not intermarry with these and have retained their Pashtu.

Fact 2. Looking at Sheenka and Natopa which have large numbers of both Pasht and Hindko speakers. The language which is grwoing and spreading is Hindko at the expense of Pashtu. Pashtu the native language of the Afghans/pathans is losing out slowly in these 2 villages. How is this happening? Through inter-marriage wth Hindko speakers. So a lot fo Chachies will now have mixed blood. The numer of hindko speakers must have grown so high tha Pasht must have become no longer needed as a language of communication. language spreads quickest through marriage - the number of one parent pashtun and one parenst hindko speaker families I know from Chach are quite high - one thing i notice about the kids is that they will speak hindko more.

Language change in Cahch from Pashtu to Hindko With respect, your question: "the question is why do so many chach people marry into Hindko families" seems to me to be nonsensical, and the 'facts' that you have stated are not exactly facts, they are your theories.Chach is an area, whose inhabitants are many, including Pathans, Kashimiris, Punjabis, Gujjars, and who speak various mother tongues. I have not come across any literature which suggests that the original language of this area, which formed Gandhara, was Pushto. On the contrary, ancient text states that the people of Gandhara spoke Hindko. It is not clear, if it is the same Hindko that many people in Chach speak today. However, it is true to say that many originally Pushto speaking Pathans nowadays speak Hindko. From my experience, i do not believe this is due to inter-marriages, it is just due to social change. There are various factors which neccesitate social change, e.g. education, local government, local market forces.A number of texts and folklore suggests that Ghourghusti was originally inhabited by two Afghan clans, the descendants of whom still live in Ghourghushti. There is no evidence to suggest that this is true for the rest of Chach.-------------------------------------------

economics does play a role in language cange for sure......but the fact is many people must have inter-married....Hindko took a place in the houses of Afghans .

Language change in Cahch from Pashtu to Hindko A statement may only be deemed 'fact' if you have evidence to prove it. There are many Pathans who live in Ghourghushti, who have only married within their own clan. Pushto was quite prominent in Ghourghushti three or four generations ago, ask your own elders, if you are from Ghourghushti. The language became less fashionable due to societal change, there are so many Pathan clans in Ghourghushti these days, whose members no longer speak Pushto, there may have been some inter-marriage, but that is very rare, and is not the main reason why Pushto is not spoken as much in Ghourghushti.

Language change in Cahch from Pashtu to Hindko so what are you saying - the people suddenly left pashtu?i met many elders from ghurghshti malak mala who claim they speak pashtu.....but they dont......they lost it before that...language change must have happened when teh kids started aspeaking hindko at home....how did t ecome th majority language



very informative post .hey guys why dont we start new thread for Pashtoons in Attock & Mianwali? plz give your suggestion.





Welldone Guys ! now we have one thread dedicated to our pashtoon brothers and sisters living in attock and mainwali...Nazia..Aemal khan..Dawezay..khanjee now come forword with more information regarding this area...Blive me there was a time when khan e shaheed khan Abdula samad khan achakzai used to visit other parts of pashtoon land then ppl used to call him balochi khan and wonder how a baloch could speak that pure pashto...it wasn't thier fault it was just coz we are divided and ppl have less information about geoghraphy of pashtoon land..so,now a days we are living in world of internet and we must collect and provide every possible information to those pashtoons who still dont know about thier land's geoghraphy and tribes residing there.....i would be happy if someone type for any information regarding pashto and pashtoon in yahoo and google and it would lead them to our forum and work of our respected member's.Thank you.

7 comments:

alhamdolillah said...

ssalmaolaikum, WOW what a well of knowledge!!!

pashtun said...

Salam my pashtun brothers an sisters, it is a sad state that most of the people of chach no longer speak pushto, this not due to inter marraige to non patans. Allot of people are forgetting the fact that chach used to be occupied by hindus, it was in 1947 that the hindus left attock and migrated to India. The pastuns began speaking hindko or adopted the hindko language over time with their interaction with the hindus. Hazro was the capitol of the hindus, their buildings and structures still exist around chach. Another fact is that attock was the last border of old afghanistan bordering punjab. I my self am from the village barazai but i am not a decendent of this village, my great grandfather migrated from swaat to attock. I have extensive knowledge of the NWFP area and afghanistan, i have travelled to both areas and met many pashtuns. feel free to ask any related questions.

pashtun said...

Salam my pashtun brothers an sisters, it is a sad state that most of the people of chach no longer speak pushto, this not due to inter marraige to non patans. Allot of people are forgetting the fact that chach used to be occupied by hindus, it was in 1947 that the hindus left attock and migrated to India. The pastuns began speaking hindko or adopted the hindko language over time with their interaction with the hindus. Hazro was the capitol of the hindus, their buildings and structures still exist around chach. Another fact is that attock was the last border of old afghanistan bordering punjab. I my self am from the village barazai but i am not a decendent of this village, my great grandfather migrated from swaat to attock. I have extensive knowledge of the NWFP area and afghanistan, i have travelled to both areas and met many pashtuns. feel free to ask any related questions.

rajesh said...

Dear Pashtun.
you are very much true ;this chach and hazro was occupied by Hindus and we all migrated to India during 1947. I am one of this Chachies now we all are staying in Mumbai, sion Koliwada here we have very big families more than 5000 families I lost my grand father during the process of migrating, I always search net for more info about my elders place in attock, one of uncle who is alive today has full memories abt the place he remember this place very well and just always talk abt our famly which used to stay their in chach for more than 300 years, My surname is VIJAN , sir can you please ask any elderly person staying in chhach about this or can you post some latest pic of our place I am in very much LOVE with chhach, I just want to kiss that place where my fore grand fathers lived. pls give more info abt it we here in mumbai more than 5000 families will love to share .

pashtun said...

rajesh

pashtun said...

Hi Rajesh

You can email me at teotic_hk@hotmail.co.uk.

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